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Old 04-30-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Default Anyone here use jabber?

Anyone?
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Old 04-30-2008   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

I do, I converted almost all my friends to jabber as they were almost exclusively using pidgin anyway and all major german e-mail providers get you a jabber account together with your email which support most of the features xmpp has to offer.

Google Talk - Gmail is the same btw, they just don't lack most of the features xmpp theoretically offers.

At first they were sceptical because they didn't want register somewhere just because of this, but after I told them that almost everyone of them already has got a JID, they started using it.
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Sure I jibber jabber all the time...he-he..but no not really..for the moment it looks like no-new-comers. Ok what is this jabber? does it offer German reference?..also why do you consider it better than pidgin..I am curious in case I take this up..


We regret to announce that for certain reasons we have had to temporarily disable registration of new user accounts on the jabber.org IM service.

Existing users will still be able use the server as normal, barring changing passwords and removing their account. (If you are an existing user and need assistance feel free to join our chat room at jabber@conference.jabber.org).


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Old 04-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

Jabber (or to be precise xmpp) is a messenger protocol, which you can use with pidgin. I didn't mean to imply it would replace it.

]You should probably read Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for clarification, but I will point out some informations.

Jabber is a decentralised, just as smtp, which means joe@gmail.com talk can talk, chat, transfer files with marry@gmx.de, jeff@jabber.org, pete@jabber.cc or/and john@web.de.

Hell, you could even talk to someone using his own pc as a jabber server bob@mypc.dyndns.org / bob@ip:port.

if one server breaks down, it doesnt have effects on the other servers, they are still able to communicate with each other, just like the smtp protocol used for sending emails.

At least here in Germany all major email providers offer you a jabber account. getting the emailadress marry@gmx.de will get you the jabber account marry@gmx.de for example.

The only US/International provider who does the same in Google, as their google talk service uses jabber which enables you to talk with other jabber users using different servers, like jabber.org for instance.
I'm not really familiar with the landscape of US-Email providers, so I'm not sure who offers jabber accounts.

But don't think you need to create an email account to get a jabber account. accounts @jabber.org for instance are only jabber accounts without any email service.

the chatroom you posted is another thing this protocol is able to do very well, MUCs (multi user chats).

You can easily create chatrooms on many servers which you can make persistent, different access levels like on irc, owner, admin, moderator, member, visitor etc.


And the best part, and the reason why I encourage people to use it is because it is an open standard. It's well documented and every who cares can look what it does and how it works. closed, proprietary protocols (yahoo! msn icq aim), well they are closed.

Another reason might be the terms of use of those im-service providers:

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"However, by submitting or posting Content to public areas of AIM Products (for example, posting a message on a message board or submitting your picture for the "Rate-A-Buddy" feature), you grant AOL, its parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium. Once you submit or post Content to any public area on an AIM Product, AOL does not need to give you any further right to inspect or approve uses of such Content or to compensate you for any such uses. AOL owns all right, title and interest in any compilation, collective work or other derivative work created by AOL using or incorporating Content posted to public areas of AIM Products." (AIM Terms of Service)
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

so all I have to do is put my gmail email address in and I am up on jabber?
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Hey MRiGnS
thanks alot for the helpful info..I appreciate it.

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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

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so all I have to do is put my gmail email address in and I am up on jabber?
Yes, that's all.

If you create a new account in pidgin, you've to choose XMPP as the protocol

Username: Rasczack (example)
Domain/Server: gmail.com (sometimes googlemail.com, but that does depend on you google account)

Ressource: you can keep home if you want to.
(Ressources have the purpose to be able to distinguish multiple logins from each other. In Jabber you can log into the same account several times and give them different priorities: Home, work, mobile phone for instance)

local alias: this is only what is shown to yourself in conversation instead of the whole account name (bob instead of bob@gmail.com)

what's important is that you don't check the box wheter you'd like to create a new account on the server, as your account already exists.

This check-box is to register yourself on most of the dedicated jabber servers.
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

Here's a step by step screenshot tutorial from Google on how to get gmail with Pidgin with Jabber:

How do I configure Pidgin for Google Talk?

BTW Jabber.org is up & running again.

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I do, I converted almost all my friends to jabber as they were almost exclusively using pidgin anyway and all major german e-mail providers get you a jabber account together with your email which support most of the features xmpp has to offer.
Got some of by friends to convert to Pidgin/Jabber. Gonna' try to get all of them to use it.

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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

I've been using pidgin for my yahoo and aol accounts. I don't have a whole lot of friends who IM, so I don't use it much. I'd like to add this protocol anyway.
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

I hardly ever use my jabber account. Wish more people would use it. I don't talk much through instant message though.
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Is it voice or text?
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it's text.
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I'm up on xmpp if anyone wants to PM me their info.
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Hey, I was wondering if we could have a space for Jabber in the profile info?
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

Ask in the feedback section. If the admin is even around any more, that's where he's more likely to see it.
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Default Re: Anyone here use jabber?

OK, I will post it there.

But if you guys are on xmpp/jabber this is my user id, feel free to add me: acidburn@jabber.org

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