Anyone here use Ubuntu and OS X Leopard? - Page 2

astraith · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Iandefor

That's silly. Of course if you leave the Windows partition untouched for long periods of time it's going to need lots and lots of updates. That's true on any computer. I had the same problem when I dual-booted XP with Linux. Is the correct conclusion that PC's are made for Linux and should stay that way?

No, the correct conclusions are that you really don't have much use for Windows and you might want to turn Automatic Updates off.

Or just use a virtual machine. Should work fine if you have at least 2gb of ram. and there are free ones that work just fine.

Iandefor · 04-17-2008

Very true, and you can background the update process and still be able to work in OS X.

omns · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Iandefor

That's silly. Of course if you leave the Windows partition untouched for long periods of time it's going to need lots and lots of updates. That's true on any computer. I had the same problem when I dual-booted XP with Linux. Is the correct conclusion that PC's are made for Linux and should stay that way?

No, the correct conclusions are that you really don't have much use for Windows and you might want to turn Automatic Updates off.

No it's not silly, it's my perspective on the situation. I do agree that dual booting can be a problem on any machine hence my preference not to do it on a regular basis.

I wouldn't recommend turning of automatic updates and leaving a machine unsecure when you do use it. That would be silly.

1veedo · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by astraith

If you buy a Mac Pro, then you can change anything you want. In the iMac, as far as i know, you can not change the hardware. I think the iMac was designed to be easy, maintenance free. And it pretty much is. However, I know you can open up an iMac (but it voids the warranty). Could you send it to Apple to upgrade it? Probably, but that kinda ruins the point.

However, you can upgrade the RAM -- mine is three years old, and only goes to 2GB (kinda disappointed, but thats what I get for buying the first gen of Intel iMacs) but the newer ones go to...what, 3gb? Maybe even 4.

But like I said, the Mac Pro is made to be upgraded. It's more upgradable then any mac.

My point I was trying to make with my post with Dell/Apple All-In-One's is that that type of computer is expensive. You can buy the exact same hardware with a Mac Min for like 700/800. And you can buy whatever screen/keyboard/mouse you'd like. (I would buy a Apple keyboard, but screw their mighty mouse). But that one I don't know how upgradable it is.

Well mac pros are boxes just like a regular desktop, kind of defeats the purpose. It'd be cool if you could strap a big ass graphics card to one. They should just make a gaming edition imac, but knowing apple it'd be like $3,000.

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Not a lot of software for Mac's? If you talking games, I'd give you that. But I use ADIUM not iChat. You can also download AIM, MSN, Yahoo IM -- but I like Adium. It's like gAIM but is much, much better. And I mean...really...their are tons of word processors, most all of them better then MS Word (and iWork 08 actually opens Open XML format...docx whatever it is) and most every major browser works for Mac OS X besides IE. Actually, I think Firefox 3.0 works faster on OS X then Windows, but thats me. Also, Safari 3.0 is really, really fast. And plus, you can go to Open Source Mac and find tons of software that works for Mac, and even some wicked games.

Plus, if you want it, you can use MS Office 08 on a Mac, and most of the people I know say it works faster and better on a Mac.

And anyway, you ca always duel-boot, or even use a virtual machine, to run Linux/XP so you can be fully compatible.

(BTW, Photoshop is available for Mac OS X, and actually, as far as i know, any professional application works with OS X and if it doesn't, there is another App that does work, and sometimes free -- Like Blender 3d.)

Also, I think it plugging my mouse in my keyboard is a good thing. However, you can always plug it into the back of the iMac or the Mac Pro.

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BTW, I am not trying to bash anyone who says Mac sucks. I'm just annoying, and when someone says Mac doesn't have a lot of App's, its sorta true, but sorta not. There are a lot of App's that aren't on there, but usually their are equivalents that are, usually, better then the Windows app you use to use.

Well duel boot is only a half solution. I do know that macs have some kind of advanced virtual machine you can buy that runs windows fairly quickly but I'm talking about integrated apps. They'd have far more applications if they supported X better.

kevmartin · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by astraith

an "All-In-One" machine is exactly that, all in one. Instead of buying a monitor, it's built into the computer. The only things that is not built into it is the keyboard/mouse...that means the parts have to be small. Like a laptop. It's why the prices are different then the machine you picked. If you compared the All in One machine from Dell and compared it to the machine you built, your would be cheaper and probably more powerful. But you couldn't really compare, because I didn't see a speed for the CPU's for the All-In-One's.

I see - well in that case, there is a problem with the comparison you are trying to make.. This 'all-in-one' thing is a completely cosmetic feature, and one which is in its infancy, particularly in PCs. Probably prices will come, but currently they would be inflated as it is so new and more than a little pitched towards the 'Will I get a PC instead of the Mac I currently have?' market. In my opinion it taints your comparison by reducing the pool of options you can draw from on the PC side - you might as well say you can only compare with machines of the same color, or only machines where the mouse plugs into the keyboard.

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Originally Posted by astraith

They might now, but I didn't see it. But if they do, then Apple does the same with their AppleCare.

Yes, I know - you already said so, I was just mentioning that Dell offers this too. Personally I wouldn't take up such an option unless it was very, very cheap.

astraith · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by kevmartin

I see - well in that case, there is a problem with the comparison you are trying to make.. This 'all-in-one' thing is a completely cosmetic feature, and one which is in its infancy, particularly in PCs. Probably prices will come, but currently they would be inflated as it is so new and more than a little pitched towards the 'Will I get a PC instead of the Mac I currently have?' market. In my opinion it taints your comparison by reducing the pool of options you can draw from on the PC side - you might as well say you can only compare with machines of the same color, or only machines where the mouse plugs into the keyboard.

It's also a space savor -- it's the reason I got my iMac, it was cheaper then a Mac Book Pro and couldn't be stolen as easy as a laptop (I have heard in college laptops getting stolen) and it was a nice space savor -- and a lot easier then a whole desktop to carry around.

kevmartin · 04-20-2008

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Originally Posted by astraith

It's also a space savor -- it's the reason I got my iMac, it was cheaper then a Mac Book Pro and couldn't be stolen as easy as a laptop (I have heard in college laptops getting stolen) and it was a nice space savor -- and a lot easier then a whole desktop to carry around.

I can see that it would be a bit of a desk space saver (though personally I put the 'box' of my computer under the desk and it stays completely out of the way there anyway), but surely while your 'all-in-one' is less stealable than a laptop, it a whole lot more stealable than a desktop.

Just a side comment - everything I hear about the US College system sounds like the vast majority of students live on campus. Here is Australia its quite the opposite - while there are a few on-campus placements at the biggest Universities, the vast majority of people live off-campus either in their own accommodation, or just stay at home at their parents' home, commuting to school each day. Their is no such thing as fraternities/sororities here at all.

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