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Old 07-24-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Why I quit: kernel developer Con Kolivas | APC Magazine

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Con Kolivas is a prominent developer on the Linux kernel and strong proponent of Linux on the desktop. But recently, he left it all behind. Why?

In this interview with APCMag.com, Con gives insightful answers exploring the nature of the hardware and software market, the problems the Linux kernel must overcome for the desktop, and why despite all this he's now left it all behind.
Acer President: "The Whole Industry Is Disappointed With Windows Vista"

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Just a day after analyst firm Net Applications released figures showing that Windows Vista now enjoys a 5 percent share of the online market, Acer president Gianfranco Lanci criticized Microsoft’s new OS saying, “the whole industry is disappointed with Windows Vista.”
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yes, everyone is disappointed... it isn't all that good after all, its xp with a new skin... thats it

xp with sp2 is a reliable, more or less stable platform, and there is no reason for anyone to upgrade...

the other article is kinda slow in loading...
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Old 07-25-2007   #3 (permalink)
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I gotta say, although I, myself, do not use Vista I have used it on a friends computer. Let's just say strange but small problems keep occurring. Like just today, the recycle bin icon disappeared - but with the text underneath it still visible.

Not just that, but despite my friend buying a new computer many times as powerful as his last, the computer boots slower his old one.

I don't know if these things go for all Vista comps, but it sucks!

Oh, and BTW, one thing they did get right was the graphics! So shiny!
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Oh, and BTW, one thing they did get right was the graphics! So shiny!
how lucky i am that im running compiz fusion...

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Old 07-26-2007   #5 (permalink)
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vista looks like a pile of shit! so dus compiz etc
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directx10 looks amazing though. And shader model 4 is an improvement over its predecessor. I will get vista, for the nextgen games.
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apparently its only doing things that open gl has been able to do for ages threw modules or whatever you call them.
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It's interesting how BBC puts Vista and Linux on the same line with their iPlayer: it only supports WinXP.
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Old 07-31-2007   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Vista, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink
Re: Linux, Remember Steven Bradbury, in so that what doesn't kill us (outright) can only make us stronger (In the long run)...
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I find Vista on my laptop alot better in Classic mode

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Once the bugs are fixed, you can't say much against Vista (in my mind). DRM, I agree, bad idea. Just get iTunes - they don't use DRM anymore AFAIK. Vista looks a thousand times better then XP, and it is much easier to use. Yes, old XP habits hit the wall with Vista, but really Vista's much more intuitive.

And don't get me started about those silly complains about how there's "too many" UAC password boxes. May I point to the Linux security model...?
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I run Linux on just about everything. I have one, maybe two apps I need Windows for, and I run them in an XP box under VMware in Linux. I don't need to buy bleeding-edge hardware to run it (though it runs nice and quick on my newer boxes), I don't have to worry about it phoning home every time I want package updates, and I can give it away and install it on as many machines as I need to without worrying about the Software Police showing up with a warrant. Viruses and other malware are minimal threats. I do run a malware/virus scanner on my Linux mail server to clean up any mail destined for Windoze boxes on my home network (kids' computers), though...!

Also, to anyone buying Vista for the eye-candy desktop: find someone running Beryl/Compiz on a Linux desktop...I like it better.

The only issues right now for new Linux users are: (1) there is a learning curve for anyone who's not at all computer-literate (more for the mechanics of the OS rather than the install or the use - distributions like Ubuntu are very easy to install and use, and there are Linux window managers that look almost the same as Windows); (2) the manufacturers of a few wireless chipsets refuse to offer drivers or open-source their specs, so these have to be reverse-engineered by the driver developers; (3) Games...those which have been written to run in Linux work well, but most game companies don't port them because there isn't (yet) that much demand. Most run them under Cedega or WINE, which works very well in some cases and not so well with other games.

All in all...I wouldn't ever go back to running Windows as a primary OS.

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Yes, it's best to completely ignore people who are unsatisfied with Linux/Ubuntu. If they can't be happy they can just use something else, right? Particularly the developers.
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in your opinion, i utterly despise eye candy, and im shore some other people do aswell

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Once the bugs are fixed, you can't say much against Vista
it will still use huge amounts of ram, doing alot of high demand work(3d rendering), this is not acseptoble

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in your opinion, i utterly despise eye candy, and im shore some other people do aswell

i personally love to use openbox as a wm, but i added the kde taskbar back...

even with compiz installed, it just got boring after a while, and ate to much of my graphics card...
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No one has mentioned OS X. I'm truly excited about the upcoming 10.5 release ....very nice
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in your opinion, i utterly despise eye candy, and im shore some other people do as well
Most people don't despise it, or else there wouldn't be Compiz Fusion or art.gnome.org. Therefore this argument really only applies to a minority (AFAIK).

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it will still use huge amounts of ram
This I cannot argue against and can only say that if you have 2 GB, you still have 1.5 GB left after Vista boots.

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doing alot of high demand work(3d rendering), this is not acseptoble
Well, then, what is Compiz Fusion doing? If you like the eye candy, you won't mind the intensity, as long as it doesn't interfere with your frames per second.
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Hey. Our differences make the world an interesting place. We have hassles with both Windows and Linux. But, for my part, the Windows hassles are just that. Aggrevation. Linux problems are learning experiences that leave a satisfying feeling when they are overcome. Ubuntu gave me back control of my machines.
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Hey. Our differences make the world an interesting place. We have hassles with both Windows and Linux. But, for my part, the Windows hassles are just that. Aggrevation. Linux problems are learning experiences that leave a satisfying feeling when they are overcome. Ubuntu gave me back control of my machines.
That's precisely, precisely why I use Linux. I just don't think Windows is all that bad, but you are right, satisfaction Windows doesn't produce when fixed it is.
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No one has mentioned OS X. I'm truly excited about the upcoming 10.5 release ....very nice
Agreed, Leopard will be a great OS, and the new iMac is absolutely gorgeous!

But alas, I am committed to the Open source philosophy. And in this case, I mean free as in freedom, not free as in beer.

However, committed as I am, if there is not an open source product to do what I want, I would have no problem in buying a closed source, proprietary product. Either Apple or Microsoft products, if that was the best option available, would be just fine with me.

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Did I fail to mention that the new iMac is really really neat?


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