Do you have an objection to non-free software? - Page 4

lakersforce · 05-30-2007

Excactly right! And why should you pay for crap? I use Windows a lot of the time, but I am not using it because I think it is a good OS. I use it because I am forced too to be able to express some of my creativity. But I have no objection by using it. Because I never have and never will pay for it. Because it is crap! And when something is crap, I have a obligation not to pay for it!

CaptainTwist · 05-30-2007

I have no objection to software for profit; my complaint would be the basic fraud of "selling" software and then telling the buyers what they can and can't do with it. It's like I would sell you a car, but refuse to turn over the keys, saying, "I'll let you use it anytime you want. All you have to do is ask."
I recently installed my copy of M$Office on a new computer. The other day, when I opened it, I got this message: Microsoft Office will only open 45 more times unless you register it.
In other words, even though I paid full price for it, I have to report my installation to headquarters or lose the use of the product.
So, did I buy this software? did I really? Or did I rent it?

MRiGnS · 05-30-2007

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Originally Posted by CaptainTwist

So, did I buy this software? did I really? Or did I rent it?

No, you didn't. You bought a license which allows you to use the software if you accept the terms.

lakersforce · 05-30-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

No, you didn't. You bought a license which allows you to use the software if you accept the terms.

And if you don't accept it you lost your money!

MRiGnS · 05-30-2007

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Originally Posted by lakersforce

And if you don't accept it you lost your money!

As long as you did not use it you're able to send it back to MS and get you money refunded.

qtwerp · 05-30-2007

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Originally Posted by lakersforce

And if you don't accept it you lost your money!

If you don't accept it, you can return it and get a refund. If they won't let you, take them to small claims court. It works.

The only real exception is a bundle, like if the software came bundled with the computer, you can't simply return the software. Most times, you must return the hardware as well.

lakersforce · 05-31-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

As long as you did not use it you're able to send it back to MS and get you money refunded.

In your dreams. Get real!

KIAaze · 05-31-2007

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Originally Posted by lakersforce

In your dreams. Get real!

This is real! Some people have already succeeded.
It is possible to avoid the so-called microsoft tax/windows tax!

Here are some links:
WindowsRefund.info :: Get your refund (english)
Linux.com | How to get a Windows tax refund(english)
DÃ©taxe.org - Accueil du site(french)

I also fell on a world map of where people managed to get windows refunds, but I can't find it anymore.

lakersforce · 05-31-2007

True. I saw something similar in the documentary "Revolution OS". As part of the movie they portrait some demonstrators obsessed with getting a refund for the OEM copy of Windows bundled with their computers. At first Microsoft said it was the computer vendor who should give them their money back and the computer vendor asid that it was Microsoft. After a demonstration and smearing of Microsoft in the press, they actually succeded in getting their money back, which of course were their legal entitled right right from the start.

View Poll Results: Is it moral to sell software?
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05-30-2007	#61 (permalink)
lakersforce Drank to much Mountain Dew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Odense, dk Posts: 391	Re: Do you have an objection to non-free software? Excactly right! And why should you pay for crap? I use Windows a lot of the time, but I am not using it because I think it is a good OS. I use it because I am forced too to be able to express some of my creativity. But I have no objection by using it. Because I never have and never will pay for it. Because it is crap! And when something is crap, I have a obligation not to pay for it! Last edited by lakersforce : 05-30-2007 at 05:29 AM.

05-30-2007	#62 (permalink)
CaptainTwist Be gentle, newcomer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Do you have an objection to non-free software? I have no objection to software for profit; my complaint would be the basic fraud of "selling" software and then telling the buyers what they can and can't do with it. It's like I would sell you a car, but refuse to turn over the keys, saying, "I'll let you use it anytime you want. All you have to do is ask." I recently installed my copy of M$Office on a new computer. The other day, when I opened it, I got this message: Microsoft Office will only open 45 more times unless you register it. In other words, even though I paid full price for it, I have to report my installation to headquarters or lose the use of the product. So, did I buy this software? did I really? Or did I rent it?
	There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary language, and those who don't.

05-31-2007	#69 (permalink)
lakersforce Drank to much Mountain Dew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Odense, dk Posts: 391	Re: Do you have an objection to non-free software? True. I saw something similar in the documentary "Revolution OS". As part of the movie they portrait some demonstrators obsessed with getting a refund for the OEM copy of Windows bundled with their computers. At first Microsoft said it was the computer vendor who should give them their money back and the computer vendor asid that it was Microsoft. After a demonstration and smearing of Microsoft in the press, they actually succeded in getting their money back, which of course were their legal entitled right right from the start.