That's something I hope for.. We linux users need to stick together :P

unfortunatly i cant and dont know how to write a simple script,one day i might find time to learn.or get some one to write one for me.. lol

i guess it is true i am just lazy

This was the original direction that was to be taken , as stated by the official stance on the Ubuntuforums. The issue of redirection was immediately downed by the founder of Automatix (in favor of having his banned UF account re-enabled so that he himself can officially support the automatix helper script on the Ubuntuforums) during the last Forum Council meeting.

As far as a user saying "Automatix is a cheesy python helper script, and it Sucks the big kiester", well thats a user's right. Just as much as its a users right to say that it doesnt. It isnt really seen as a personal attack on a person to attack the application they develop. If this were the case , then just as easily we would have to cite every user that says "Screw M$ they suck , their OS is a piece of !@#%, and they suck with it." There really isnt any grounds to infract a user because they say a piece of software is bad, or breaks things, or says that its useless and unwanted.

I would personally be in full favor of redirecting the user directly back to the AX official site and allow them support there if I had the power to do so, thus stopping all 2nd hand support by users on the forums. But as stated above, this kind of action was deemed as an improper direct action, in favor of allowing AX members to officially support the application on the UF.

In already doing so, the founder of the application has already garnered a variety of Infration points for ill advised behaviour regarding the application fortwith.

Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - Trouble with Automatix and apt-get in Feisty - Example 1
Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - Trouble with Automatix and apt-get in Feisty - Example 2

Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - Trouble with Automatix and apt-get in Feisty - UserA the recieved infraction due to comments made directly.

If the action were to utterly redirect all traffic regardless of action or question, back to AX site for all AX related questions, then we probably would never see this kind of action, or its remanents.

This thread reminds me of a debate that raged for some time regarding a tool many people used to configure Red Hat Linux, but it did not work well for other Linuxes. IIRC it was called "Linuxconf". Even though it trashed my system, I tried not to be critical, because lots of people sweared by it. I never touched it after the time it messed up my system, but I still think that it was a good tool for some people who used a certain distribution.

Sure they have that again now LinuxFan , its called Fedora Frog

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Fedora_frog

I looked up "linuxconf" and found this Linuxconf home

I believe it is the tool that I remember and it appears the most recent resease was two years ago.

Isn't Fedora Frog something like EasyUbuntu or Automatix for Fedora?

My username on my computer is "pollywog" so it seems someone knows what a tough time I have had installing Linux and they came up with this "frog" to make it easier.

I have never used RedHat, though. I tried it once and it did not like the computer video card, so I tried Debian and it installed.

For those who don't know, the larval stage of a frog is called a "tadpole" or "pollywog".

I must say I'm with you on this one, OrangeCrate ... I came, I saw, I went back home ...

But before I go ...

The debates rage on, be it about Automatix, Synaptic, apt-get or some other thing that someone does or doesn't like or get along with ... these won't stop anytime soon or at all. Unfortunately, many times they regress from civilized debates and discussions ... if they even start that way ... to rantings, ravings, name calling, profane references, etc.

Now as to the use of scripts-base programs like Automatix to install software, whether it be official Ubuntu or from outside sources, many users simply want to use a GUI rather than work with terminal commands. And there's nothing wrong with that ... it's not lazy, it's just a matter of choice of tools. So to slam these people or denigrate Automatix because of personal dislikes is so counter-productive. If there is legitimate, documentable reasoning behind any recommendation not to use a particular program or source or method, present it in such a manner that it makes sense and will be paid attention to. Don't simply say "it breaks things" or "it broke my system" or some other such inane, non-definitive statement ... tell us how it broke stuff and what else you may have been doing at the time and any shortcuts you may have been taking ...

As to Automatix, I've used it, along with Synaptic, because I'm evaluating Ubuntu from a initiate user's point of view and it presents an easy-to-use interface for installing programs ... especially "outside" stuff with Automatix ... including satisfying any dependencies. I've also used the "apt-get" method. The key is they all work, depending on your needs and/or desires and depth of knowledge. And they don't break things ... people break things. There may be an occasional glitch, but these are usually handled fairly quickly ... perhaps not quick enough for some who are particularly impatient, but fixed nonetheless ...

Not everyone's a geek ... especially those new to the Ubuntu community ... and they just want to get started the simplest way possible to have a system up and running, tweaked and updated. Or to upgrade their OS as they move along. Or to add something like extra fonts that Ubuntu doesn't supply. Automatix works to satisfy that goal and I think the AX team needs to be congratulated for what they've given to Ubuntu ... whether or not you like Arnieboy which, of course, has no place in any argument for or against Automatix itself...

And with that, I'm gone ... outa here ... ya'll have fun ...

Automatix is wrong conceptually.

Ubuntu should not _need_ a helper script to install apps. Those that are aware of this and willing to do something about it are the same people who are responsible for Feisty's codec-and-driver-installing features. We can only hope Ubuntu will develop further in this area so that helper scripts like aut'x can be lost in the junkyards of history.

It is the wrong approach of the automatix team, which gives more importance to building their own ego and having a separate fanclub just for themselves, than to the prosperity of the project as a whole. This, IMO, is the reason they've never been willing (or able?) to communicate with Ubuntu and cooperate with it to produce a better product overall.

What I say is valid today. However, before Feisty, it was the policies that made including the current features impossible, and that was a raison d'être for similar scripts. These policies have since been re-thunk, and all the effort going into Automatix and similar is utterly wasted.

I don't use Automatix and I don't need it. Kubuntu has surprised me on two or three occasions when I did not have some library or plugin or other add-on required to view certain content. Adept popped up and told me what was missing and then asked if I wanted to install it. I didn't even have to go somewhere and ask someone what I needed to install to make Amarok play a certain file type. I didn't expect that, not even Linspire does that yet.

What kind of video card and model do you have?

It's an ATI Radeon 9600 256MB. I am currently using fglrx and it works great, just no luck on the autoscripts when I did try using them.

By the way, have you seen the blog post that was on Digg .com recently? Just wondering since you quoted an extremely old post of mine, which showed up in that blog as "testamonial" that Automatix is bad

I saw that Lol

Another more relevant digg.com thread has shown up.

One down, a few more TechBoard members to go to prove it really does suck.

Digg - Automatix Is Actively Dangerous to Systems

It only proves it's dangerous and the use therefore is not recommended.

I'm not using it but I'm getting tired about all the automatix flaming. If you don't want noobs to use it provide something better.

some are , some are not. Its a matter of opinion really MRiGnS.

Many of us are tired of it. Members of the Dev team and the Official Teams are tired of it

Straight from the horses mouth, and in a much less favorable light than the words I use.

*Burgundavia* automatix is a blight on our fair distro

I'm also sick of this anti automatix crusade. A lot of it is pure propaganda. And it is ruining a lot of threads, where the new user should get help. And not another automatix bashing thread.

Don't get me wrong I don't support the use of Automatix nor do I use it personally, but the Ubuntu devs should think about what's causing the popularity of Automatix.

I don't think the additional software is causing this, but rather the fact that the Add/Remove menu is just overloaded with stuff many just don't know what to do with it.

Maybe a Add/Remove-v.-noob could help that only contains software for people who don't know what's divx is or what the hell do I know I'm happy ;P

I'd doubt that this dev or many of the others have ever used Automatix. They just apply the pack mentality rule when looking at Automatix and believe one misinformation after the other. Many of their beliefs are based on experiences of when Automatix was in early development and like all pieces of software it had issues which have long been resolved. Sadly the Devs line on Automatix has slowly filtered down to the Ubuntuforums staff as well since it went official.

Automatix is just another option in an open source world. This collective brutality and ignorance against it will not make it go away. The more you push, the more its lead Devs take strength. I fully agree that this endless flaming (often personal) has to stop. Let everyone get on with what they do well and enjoy the fruits of their work if it suits you. I thought we were all about choice