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Default Re: Bush is pushing for Congress to spend 50 Billion on AIDS in other countries

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Originally Posted by kevmartin View Post
I have no problem with him spending the money. Unfortunately I am extremely doubtful of his motives being in the slightest bit noble. I think he wants to leave some kind of legacy that will be seen as something positive from the 8 years in office, so he won't be remembered through history as a president known only for his screwups.
There's the problem with judging people's motives. I agree, it can be a fun game, and make you feel really good - leaving room to bitch about people doing nice things, or making excuses for someone doing something unwise.

The problem is, it shows that you basically have no objectivity. If he does something you disagree with, you bitch. If he does something you think is good, you bitch because his motives are wrong.

Personally, I find it better to stick with judging actions not motives.

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Originally Posted by kevmartin View Post
Rasczak, as for your figures that only 60-70% of the umpteen millions actually having HIV who are reported as having it - that would still seem to be an epidemic to me in any case. And there are all kinds of medications in the world that can be abused in various ways - are you suggesting we should stop supplying them to anyone who can benefit from them, because there is a possibility that some people might abuse them in some way?
Its still a problem if only 20% of the reported cases are accurate. And no, I don't think I suggested anything like witholding treatment.

The thing is, intentional or not, the numbers and size of the problem have been exaggerated. The best way to properly deal with a problem is have a clear understanding of the problem. Anyone relying on WHO numbers doesn't.

If we're going to take money out of the pocket of people in Oklahoma and buy things for people in Africa with it, we should at least know how many people we need to spend the money on.

Don't you agree?

If we buy enough drugs to treat everyone the WHO says is sick, but only a 1/3 of those people can actually use those drugs while addicts are waiting in the wings to get high off them, what do you think is going to happen?

Assuming global wealth redistribution is the solution, should it be redistributed responsibly? Can you concede that at least?
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