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Originally Posted by Rasczak Let's see, I've spent time in Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan, just to name a few. I've spent accumulated years of my life among Muslims, and I've met the victims of those I criticize above. Have you ever met and talked with someone who lived under the Taliban? I have. For example, I spent a day with a father and his son and we talked about how happy they were just that they could work again because they were no long under the Taliban. Tell me about your experience with Muslims and the oppression so many of them face...Dude. |
Then you should know better not to generalize. You obviously saw the different types of Muslims have different customs. That religion is different from tribe traditions. Customs like “they still treat their women like cattle and make them wear a tent” are different from one tribe to another in the same country, let alone the whole world. Where Muslims are scattered through out various countries. Btw these two comments of your contradict each other, and may make you appear racist:
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Originally Posted by Rasczak This may come as a shock, but I respect Muslims and many of their beliefs... |
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Originally Posted by Rasczak move your backwards ass to a country where they still treat their women like cattle and make them wear a tent. |
I like the quote you have on your signature, but you should really have some more conviction towards it. Otherwise it might come off as pretentious.
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Originally Posted by Rasczak That's because people opposed and spoke out against the unfairness and oppression. Its because people saw something wrong and worked against it. What have you done to end oppression besides call names at people who speak out openly against the opressors? |
It's not even a question of what I'm doing. I was merely stating the fact that womens right were acquired 1400 years ago by Muslims, before us in the US. That you're generalization of Muslims as backwards, women hating people are false. When you ask me what am I doing what you're really doing is applying an
ad hominem argument.
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Originally Posted by Rasczak Have you ever met and talked with someone who lived under the Taliban? I have. For example, I spent a day with a father and his son and we talked about how happy they were just that they could work again because they were no long under the Taliban. |
To understand the situation of the people in Afghanistan you have to further back than the Taliban. The reign of Afghanistan has been used and abused over time. The people there are happy with any aid, any relief at this point. The situation is they don't care who rules over them as long as basic necessities are met. For the fear of not having that security people will do anything. Take the slaves during the Civil War in the US, you had one party who were called “Uncle Tom Negroes.” They were black and enslaved, but were against the abolition. Why? For the fear of loosing what their master provided them. They praised their masters and went even against their own people.
The abuse of women in Afghanistan, and the lack of resource existed way before the Taliban took over. It's more or so part of their chauvinistic traditions and years of war in that reign. It was only highlighted by us in the main stream media when propaganda was needed to justify a war. No, we went after Bin Laden, but we still don't have Bin Laden after invading two countries. Prior to 911, we invited the Taliban to Washington to talk. Even in the late 1990's American oil companies like Unocal were playing nice with the Taliban. At that time there were no FOX news headlines for womens rights or human rights violations in Afghanistan. So suddenly after 911 Taliban started beating women and creating massive human rights violations? Even after 911 Taliban said they would apprehend Bin Laden, and try him.
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Originally Posted by Rasczak I don't know, you tell me. Give me an example of religion being pushed in Iraq or Afghanistan, and what does it have to do with coalition forces? |
Oh, I donno, there's the constitutions we wrote for Afghanis & Iraqis for starters. Regime building isn't a new fad for use either. Afghanistan & Iraq are just the latest accessories.
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Originally Posted by Rasczak Tell me about this attack we're planning on Iran. Will it be missiles? Bombers? Ground forces? Aerial or from the sea? When is it supposed to take place? |
Probably the usual divide and conquer method. Like Afghanistan's Taliban & Northern Alliance. Iraq's Sunni & Shia. But if you want to know exactly, I think you better look at Mr. McCain
here.