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LordFu · 12-11-2007

Your assertions are interesting, but I don't consider them fact. You can find evidence of institutional bias in any scientific field. It's not something specific to global warming. Look at cancer research, and vitamin C and D, for example.

I was posting the results of their survey. I wasn't aware of their checkered past, but, in regards to the specific survey, I believe they have a point. There is no consensus on what an ideal climate is or what the consequences of the current warming trend are.

And, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that global warming isn't occuring. I'm arguing that the impact of CO2 is overstated and not nearly as well understood as we're led to believe. There is evidence that limiting CO2 emissions is ineffective and extremely costly that is not taken into consideration.

The major proponents of regulations on CO2 emissions have questionable motives. I don't think that, that fact is a strawman.

Road to Bali

"Road to Bali

Peter Foster, Financial Post
Published: Thursday, December 06, 2007

The fate of the Earth hangs in the balance in Bali, but the issue is not whether humanity will succumb to a "climate crisis," or how the international community might craft a successor to the tattered Kyoto Accord (Let's call it KyoTwo). The real theme of this United Nations gabfest -- like that of its 12 predecessors, and of the hundreds, if not thousands, of related meetings --is whether globalization and trade liberalization will be allowed to continue, with a corresponding increase in wealth, health and welfare, or whether the authoritarian enemies of freedom (who rarely if ever recognize themselves as such) will succeed in using environmental hysteria to undermine capitalism and increase their Majesterium. Any successor to Kyoto will be rooted in hobbling rich economies, increasing the poor world's resentment, unleashing environmental trade warfare, and blanketing the globe with rules and regulations that benefit only rulers and regulators. Bali is not about climate; it symbolizes the continued assault on freedom by those who seek -- or pander to -- political power under the guise of concern for humanity.

Just at the point where Marxism was being consigned to the dustbin of history, the more or less concealed power lust that had fed it found a new cause in the environment. The fact that the UN's 1992 Rio conference followed hard on the collapse of the Soviet Union represented almost the passing of a poisoned baton. Capitalism had once been the enemy because it was alleged to make people poor. Now it was the enemy because of the alleged side effects of making them rich. The emissions of carbon-based industrial society would lead to a climate in turmoil:We would be beset by Biblical plagues of floods, droughts and monster hurricanes."

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LordFu I see the Fnords. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 830	Re: Climate change by energy production not "green house" gases Your assertions are interesting, but I don't consider them fact. You can find evidence of institutional bias in any scientific field. It's not something specific to global warming. Look at cancer research, and vitamin C and D, for example. I was posting the results of their survey. I wasn't aware of their checkered past, but, in regards to the specific survey, I believe they have a point. There is no consensus on what an ideal climate is or what the consequences of the current warming trend are. And, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that global warming isn't occuring. I'm arguing that the impact of CO2 is overstated and not nearly as well understood as we're led to believe. There is evidence that limiting CO2 emissions is ineffective and extremely costly that is not taken into consideration. The major proponents of regulations on CO2 emissions have questionable motives. I don't think that, that fact is a strawman. Road to Bali "Road to Bali Peter Foster, Financial Post Published: Thursday, December 06, 2007 The fate of the Earth hangs in the balance in Bali, but the issue is not whether humanity will succumb to a "climate crisis," or how the international community might craft a successor to the tattered Kyoto Accord (Let's call it KyoTwo). The real theme of this United Nations gabfest -- like that of its 12 predecessors, and of the hundreds, if not thousands, of related meetings --is whether globalization and trade liberalization will be allowed to continue, with a corresponding increase in wealth, health and welfare, or whether the authoritarian enemies of freedom (who rarely if ever recognize themselves as such) will succeed in using environmental hysteria to undermine capitalism and increase their Majesterium. Any successor to Kyoto will be rooted in hobbling rich economies, increasing the poor world's resentment, unleashing environmental trade warfare, and blanketing the globe with rules and regulations that benefit only rulers and regulators. Bali is not about climate; it symbolizes the continued assault on freedom by those who seek -- or pander to -- political power under the guise of concern for humanity. Just at the point where Marxism was being consigned to the dustbin of history, the more or less concealed power lust that had fed it found a new cause in the environment. The fact that the UN's 1992 Rio conference followed hard on the collapse of the Soviet Union represented almost the passing of a poisoned baton. Capitalism had once been the enemy because it was alleged to make people poor. Now it was the enemy because of the alleged side effects of making them rich. The emissions of carbon-based industrial society would lead to a climate in turmoil:We would be beset by Biblical plagues of floods, droughts and monster hurricanes." Last edited by LordFu : 12-11-2007 at 03:31 PM.
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