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Old 12-11-2007   #18 (permalink)
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Default Re: Climate change by energy production not "green house" gases

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Originally Posted by itsreallyme View Post
Do either one of you guys think the shifting of the magnetic pole has anything to do with climate change?
It's possible. It would directly affect the Earth's rotation and orbit, which could have an impact on mean temperature. I also don't discount your point about man-made heat building up in the atmosphere. My point is simply that there is much studying to be done. Much of it that is being done is not being done properly.

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Nobody would claim that temperature readings are perfect. We have very little data about Antarctica for instance simply because we don't have a lot of monitoring stations down there. It's hardly as inaccurate as you'd like us to believe, however. What we have now are satellites which get very accurate global temperatures for all levels of the atmosphere, and they tend to agree with ground stations and the scientific conclusion that global warming is primarily caused by humans.


Have they? You can get all the data and references right from their website. Scientists don't universally agree with everything the IPCC says, but as a general source the scientific community has validated the findings of the IPCC in peer-review. Plus other scientific organizations have independently came to the same conclusions. If anything the criticism you find towards the IPCC tend to be from scientists saying the IPCC is underestimating the effects of global warming. The IPCC simply sets out to gather information from other scientists and condense them. They do not do original research, everything in an IPCC report has come from other sources.

The IPCC is not some sort of god entity. Many global warming deniers like to target the IPCC but it's really nothing more than a straw man. The IPCC != Global Warming. The same thing is true with Al Gore.I don't really care if al gore is a hypocrite or whatever else. He is not a science and he != global warming. Global warming (climate change to be more precise) is an entire field of science, not the result of al gore and the ipcc.
The IPCC cherry-picks research to support their agenda.

And, you label me a "denier" in the same sentence that you potray my arguement as a strawman. Nice.
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