Your list of 'collectivists do this/that' might be true for pure collectivism, but its use seems to be used falsely as arguments against the non-pure version. Surely you believe in some collectivism, things like infrastructure, rule of law?
Also, some of them put words in other peoples mouth.
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Originally Posted by LordFu  "Collectivist political systems embrace the view that rights are granted by the state." |
By whom are rights granted in any case? Does the universe itself somehow contain rights then? No, humans have themselves decided that other people have rights in some cases. That leftists think people have the right to food, education, healthcare or pensions, does not mean that it is suddenly 'granted by state'.
The more real difference is that these rights are demanding, rather then passive, like the right not being stolen from. (Although, perhaps all rights are demanding; it costs police to prevent crime like stealing.)
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Originally Posted by LordFu "Collectivism is based on the belief that the group is more important than the individual." |
Or that the group must take care people get those rights i talked about.
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Originally Posted by LordFu "The collectivist declares that individuals are not personally responsible for charity, for raising their own children, providing for aging parents, or even providing for themselves. These are group obligations of the state." |
Collectivism does move around resources; and into more charitable hands. I guess it is stealing, haha. (Ye, sure there was more charity in early 20th certury, because they were afraid of the working class..)
I wish that people would just be charitable enough to do this automatically, but they are not. A lot of resources are in bastards(Who are at an advantage in earning money.) and corporations. Corporations couldnt even be charitable if they wanted; the shareholders would mind.
The people doing the lower-educated work shouldnt have to work so the rich can have their, million dollar pissing contests.
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Originally Posted by LordFu "Collectivists do not trust freedom. They are afraid of freedom." |
Wtf is this about? We are afraid of the freedom of the rich to slave away workers. Workers who have to work for a living; who are hence not free. Lack of freedom is a fact of life in any case, some collectivism actually increases freedom.
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Originally Posted by LordFu "Collectivists say, “We must force people to do what we think they should do, because they are too dumb to do it on their own. We, on the other hand, have been to school. We’ve read books. We are informed. We are smarter than those people out there." |
...That is why we are for accessible education.
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Originally Posted by LordFu "One of the quickest ways to spot a collectivist is to see how he reacts to public problems. No matter what bothers him in his daily routine – whether it’s littering the highway, smoking in public, dressing indecently, bigotry, sending out junk mail – you name it, his immediate response is “There ought to be a law!” |
There ought to be a law to prevent people from doing that!