There is a real debate between Big Dave and Seeker here isn't it.
Seekermeister. You really want to know the scientific view of the origin of life do you. I can answer that with my own words and knowledge but I really do not know if you can comprehend it, or have the guts to take it.
You know living objects is different from unliving objects in only one point. Living objects are more complex mechanisms. Simply put unliving objects are like tools and living objects are machines and that is all.
Merely everything happens due to organizations of atomic (subatomic) particles and fields(by the way these are not fields where people grow corn. If you want to know more about it read An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory Micheal E. Peskin and Daniel V. Schroeder, but to comprehend this you will have to read many other books and published articles for understanding science (by the way this is only for physics). I can send you a reference of about 40 books and nearly a hundred articles ). everything is in interaction with eachother and everything decays (everything falls prey to entropy). Living beings are cursed somehow to view all these progresses. You do not even think for yourself it just happens, it seems as though you are thinking but actually it is only a series of preocesses and you comprehend it as such , everything around you just happens, you have the ability to observe and understand the underlying mechanism and thats it. No more no less. So being alive does not make you special anyway.
And obviously complex systems originate from simpler systems. Now I made a mistake telling you about entropy because you will say that if everything decays then how complex systems occur. Well you did not get me there.Total Entropy of a closed system increases over time. Every word in this last sentence bears importance. Universe is the closed system. If a bunch of objects goes under a series of processes to make a complex system. The total entropy of all those things going under that process decreases. In the macro level it seems more organized but it isn't in the micro level. So no your counterpoint is wrong. (I guessed you will counterpoint me on this because everyone who has not studied sciences does)
Anyway if what I state is not satisfactory to you, then you should read everything that I offer to you. And you should understand and work on them. You cannot ask people to share their hard earned wisdom and knowledge with you so that you can counter-point them with a minute of knowledge on the area they are talking about. Also people have no time for that. I myself prefer to share my knowledge with hardworking people who are willing to learn and not live their lives (observation periods)
in vain; rather than converting an unwilling lazy guy like you.
By the way thought that you can offer me to read the Bible. Or Bibles. I read many Holy Books. And you know many of the people I live with did too. From where we stand we eat Holy Books for breakfast.
And I do support points by Big Dave.
By The way
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Originally Posted by seekermeister but logic began before science was even thought of, and will continue long after it is dead. You don't think that science will ever die? That is a subject all to it's self, so I don't intend to explain that now. |
Do you really think that science is thought of by someone. "Oh, guys come on look what I have thought of; It is called science and we will try to explain what is going on in our world with it."
No science is not thought up nor will it die. As long as there is existence science will be.
And Logic BEGAN???? Interesting "Oh, guys I am the one who found science now I made a machine called Logic. With it we can be reasonable." COME ON
All of you have good days.