Did you read anything about where I claimed to be a scientist? No, you did not. It does not require a degree in science for anyone to be able to think independently, and that has been the entire object of my posts in this thread. I never told anyone what to think or believe, but only to at least think about the matter beyond simply citing scientific quotes. Big Dave said that scientific means of research is empiracal and irrefutable, but at best, that could only be said of the results of their actual experiments, not the conclusions that they extrapolate from them. In this area of knowledge, that amounts to about 10% facts, and 90% speculation. Even the facts are subject to change, so I would not even consider them irrefutable. But since you obviously feel comfortable putting your faith in this system, why would I want to discourage you?