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Originally Posted by BrianFantana  Again, NO. We do not know anything to be absolutely true, that's the point. We can disprove something (not absolutely, but moreso than we can prove something) to the point where we can remove it from the realm of possibility or probability. |
What you are saying is that you are not absolutely disproving. That is what I said - you can neither (absolutely) prove nor disprove anything.
Nor do I think that is what most people believe when they speak of disproving. They believe they can do it in an absolute sense. ("This theory is disproven" means it's absolutely wrong to them.)
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So it is an illusion that I live? I am the direct effect of my mother's conceiving me, that was the "cause" of my existence. In effect, my parents are a cause, and I am the effect. If I have children, that makes me a cause and them an effect. If you are going to debate that I do not exist, or that I am an illusion, I will counter that I am very real, and very really typing this.
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Your baby discussion is just another form of your typing in the forum discussion - causality. As I said, you can have an experience of causality (things may APPEAR causal), but this is an illusion. An illusion means a thing appearing to be something it is not.
You are not "really" typing. You might say you are having a dream (experience) that you are a human typing. It is a created effect - you are creating the effect with your mind (consciousness).
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Consider REAL LIFE, not cartoons. If I throw a brick through a window, I caused the effect of the brick flying, which caused the effect of the window breaking. I am thus the root cause of the window breaking.
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I realize that is your experience of what is happening, but it is not what is really happening. The brick is not breaking the window, anymore than the cartoon brick breaks the window. You might say the window breaks, but you can't say why. It just does. It might easily not break, and the brick will go right through it, if a person with a different perspective throws and witnesses the brick. You would call this a miracle, but it is no less a miracle than the window breaking. It is merely a different outcome, one of an infinite number of possibilities.
That's the best I can do for you. I'm not saying you have to agree this is the way it works. But at present you don't even seem to be able to imagine what I am discussing. You are not able to consider that reality may operate more as a cartoon, where the frames are created by the mind non-causally. (And that's okay - you don't need to understand.)
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The difference between a cartoon and real life is that the window cannot simply be redrawn in real life, it must be replaced.
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Oh? How do you know this? Can you PROVE it?
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Plus, you can't stab someone with cartoon glass shards, but you can with real ones.
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Can you prove that you can stab all real people with real glass? Of course you can't.
The point is, you are saying "this is the way it is because this is the way it is". You are not proving it is so, because you can't. And in fact it is not always so.
The world is full of examples of non-causality. I realize you dismiss these examples as religious myth, folklore, or bad science. This is one of the ways you reinforce and create the reality you choose - where it obeys causality.
In fact the universe doesn't need to obey any human beliefs about it, and there are those of us who experience that. You would claim we are deluded or lying. Thus you do not experience it that way.
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Your "perception" continues to astound me. How did you perceive this?
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Directly. As I said, there is no place where one consciousness ends. Our consciousness encompasses the entire physical universe and beyond, big and small, and it is possible to expand one's awareness to perceive any aspect of the universe directly.
How? It is a matter of going into a state of expanded awareness. There are many methods of doing so, such as various forms of meditation.
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although the fact that I can make calls, use the internet, drink the water and hold the picture make me think otherwise.
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Indeed. It is a very convincing illusion. We designed it to be.
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As for the thought of a universal consciousness, I don't even know where to begin. How about "no"?
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As you say, so shall it be (for you).
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No one can communicate with their car, simple as that.
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Prove it.
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You cannot "communicate" with an inanimate object.
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Prove it.
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Perhaps my narrow view of reality is confined to that which is "real". Is that narrow? Not at all, there are many, many, many aspects of the real world.
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That is why I said "narrow" was a relative observation. From my and others' perspectives, yours is rather narrow. Narrow is not bad. It is a choice. You prefer a narrow reality, a simple and tightly confined one. You're still trying to make sense of that one. As you do, you will eventually decide 'there must be more than this', and you will earnestly expand your awareness.
For you, part of the illusion will have ended. Then you will try to explain this to others who do not yet see it, and will realize that while for you the illusion has ended, for others it goes on.
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You make a lot of judgments.
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You're confusing an observation with a judgment, because you have an ego investment in being "advanced" or "open-minded".
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And you refuse to believe that two people may experience the same thing (and I do mean may, but it certainly is possible for two people to be so in-tune that they experience something the same way).
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Sameness, or duplication, does not exist. Life does not duplicate. It creates. Everything is unique, including every perspective. Similarity does exist.
"Two people" may experience the same thing, but only at the level where they are one - a singular group consciousness. So long as you call them "two people", you are not speaking of that level of awareness.
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The difference is, most of the things I believe in don't need actualizing. I believe in, like you said before, things I can see and hear (and as I added, things I can smell, taste and touch). The things I believe in that are immaterial are confined to my own consciousness, emotions and the like, and my emotions don't travel throughout the universe to all other conscious beings. I already understand why you are saying what you are, but I believe it to be nonsense.
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That is a pretty good assessment of your level of consciousness and awareness. However, your consciousness and emotions do "travel". Really, they are simply everywhere at once. The universe is non-local.