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Old 07-25-2007   #81 (permalink)
BrianFantana
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Default Re: Atheist or Agnostic?

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I realize you see it that way, just as I (and others) see it differently. And I can't really explain it to you, because you do not see what I see, or communicate with the universe in the way I do.

Let's just say that the universe has communicated to me that it is understandable, and its communication was clearly understood by me. This is not to say that I understand everything. But enough things which once seemed mysterious have been made clear that I now understand it is I who is not aware, not the universe that is not making sense, or is by nature un-understandable. Further, I can take it on faith - the universe would not lie to me about what it is communicating.

Again, this is not something I can impart to you. I am merely bearing witness to it.
Now we've entered the Twilight Zone. If you cannot explain your own arguments in terms that the rest of us non-enlightened, non-universe communicators can understand, how can we begin to debate. To say that the "universe (a mass of particles and energy, devoid of consciousness except for those beings which reside within it) communicated with (you)" is thus on par with saying my "apartment building (a mass of particles and energy, devoid of consciousness except for those beings which reside within it) communicated with me". Oh, and by the way, my apartment building doesn't communicate with anyone else the way it does me, and so we'll never see eye-to-eye on the issue.

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I believe you should review some of the books that recount NDEs, and what people experience and bring back (including knowledge they could not have had during the period they were "dead", such as what their surgeon said). You might also review the mountain of data related by children and people who remember past lives, and know details of faraway places and people that they could not have known.

The evidence is overwhelming, even in the conventional sense, let alone the 'common sense' one. You merely need to open yourself to it. You are living in a tiny bubble of belief created by narrow-minded thinkers. That is not to say you cannot dismiss and ignore this evidence. That is common.
Seriously? Has no one ever heard of "coincidences", "imperceptable consciousness", or "dreams"? I'll start looking to your books, and that evidence better be damned convincing, because what I have read of these "past lives" is nothing more than simple hypnotic suggestion and outright fabrication.
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