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Originally Posted by BrianFantana  Perhaps you could explain further how I am mistaken and you agree. Whether someone rationalizes something to themselves to make it "true" or "absolute" is irrelevant. |
I agree nothing can be proven (or disproven) in an absolute sense. We may feel we have proven something to ourselves, but it is a working conclusion, still subject to change by later data.
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You say the universe is understandable, how do you know this? Do you communicate with it? Have you deciphered a way to crack eons-old mysteries?
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Yes and yes. I know because I see it.
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Sorry to play the sarcasm card, but realistically the universe is, at this point in history, unknowable, unseeable, and un-understandable.
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I realize you see it that way, just as I (and others) see it differently. And I can't really explain it to you, because you do not see what I see, or communicate with the universe in the way I do.
Let's just say that the universe has communicated to me that it is understandable, and its communication was clearly understood by me. This is not to say that I understand everything. But enough things which once seemed mysterious have been made clear that I now understand it is I who is not aware, not the universe that is not making sense, or is by nature un-understandable. Further, I can take it on faith - the universe would not lie to me about what it is communicating.
Again, this is not something I can impart to you. I am merely bearing witness to it.
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To say that nothing happens outside of the universe's intelligence is both baseless and untrue, because, quite frankly we don't know.
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I do know. Who is this "we" you refer to? Conventional scientific consensus? There your statement may be true.
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There is somewhere else to go - straight into the ground. The idea that our conscience continues after the expiration of our bodies is one which, although it may (and I stress may) be possible, cannot be asserted with any sort of confidence. Persons who claim that it can are acting on faith, and faith is inherently devoid of reason. I may believe I can fly, but that sure doesn't make it so.
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I believe you should review some of the books that recount NDEs, and what people experience and bring back (including knowledge they could not have had during the period they were "dead", such as what their surgeon said). You might also review the mountain of data related by children and people who remember past lives, and know details of faraway places and people that they could not have known.
The evidence is overwhelming, even in the conventional sense, let alone the 'common sense' one. You merely need to open yourself to it. You are living in a tiny bubble of belief created by narrow-minded thinkers. That is not to say you cannot dismiss and ignore this evidence. That is common.