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Old 07-25-2007   #75 (permalink)
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Default Re: Atheist or Agnostic?

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You are mistaken. I agree there is no way to prove or disprove anything. You may prove it to yourself as a working conclusion. Nothing absolute.
Perhaps you could explain further how I am mistaken and you agree. Whether someone rationalizes something to themselves to make it "true" or "absolute" is irrelevant.

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As for ignorance (no way to understand), that is the illusion of ignorance. It is the belief that humans just can't understand God/the universe. Nothing could be further from the truth. The universe is understandable. There is an intelligence throughout it, and nothing happens outside of that design.
You say the universe is understandable, how do you know this? Do you communicate with it? Have you deciphered a way to crack eons-old mysteries? Sorry to play the sarcasm card, but realistically the universe is, at this point in history, unknowable, unseeable, and un-understandable. To say that nothing happens outside of the universe's intelligence is both baseless and untrue, because, quite frankly we don't know.

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Most people hide out in the belief in ignorance. It saves them from having to think about things. "God only knows." At the same time, they believe they know everything.
I do agree with this.

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That's not to say everything is understandable from our current human perspective. But that perspective is impermanent. We all evolve in our understandings, eventually becoming one with all of it (we become God - there is no where else to go).
There is somewhere else to go - straight into the ground. The idea that our conscience continues after the expiration of our bodies is one which, although it may (and I stress may) be possible, cannot be asserted with any sort of confidence. Persons who claim that it can are acting on faith, and faith is inherently devoid of reason. I may believe I can fly, but that sure doesn't make it so.
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