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Jasper84 · 07-18-2007

I think I could find things in the website to counter each of your arguments, like individualism against your claim that they want people to think alike. If i were in that group, i would like it to expand to a large portion of society, but i do not think i would want to be entire society; just enough to have 'positive' evolution. Perhaps i would not want to expand it at all, just as a platform of activism.
About my claim of links to counter everything i am not sure whether that would actually be valid counterarguments. I can not deny that fanboys could just not follow the ideas, but whether the ideas themselves are flawed, i have to think about. Currently i am hard pressed to see how you can follow those ideas and be closed minded at the same time. Or at least, the things that you are close minded about do not deal with reality, and hence can hurt no-one but yourself. Especially following the 'respect' clause.
Perhaps at its base it consists of three things:

Declare that seeking reality should be the goal. And that other religions do not do this. It considers science as doing just that. I think this assumes some things, but things that i gladly assume.

However it is not science. It adds values that are to be achieved using knowledge of reality. These are subjective too, and although as far as i can see i agree with them, but i do not think these subjective assumptions correspond with the name of the church well; that part looks at the whole right/left discussion as well. I agree with them though, and i do think, an misleading name is not really reason to ditch it completely.(Maybe they should call it the Left/Humanitarian Church of Reality.

Maybe it provides a rallying cry, a community that can recognize each other. Perhaps it can be used positively as a vessel for activism, rather then religion.

As i am reading it, i am filing some issues i have with it. Later, i will seek out its forum or mail issues i have with it. I am sure they have discussed it, or will discuss it with me.

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Jasper84 under construction Join Date: May 2007 Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands Posts: 593	Re: When you think about, don't you have to laugh I think I could find things in the website to counter each of your arguments, like individualism against your claim that they want people to think alike. If i were in that group, i would like it to expand to a large portion of society, but i do not think i would want to be entire society; just enough to have 'positive' evolution. Perhaps i would not want to expand it at all, just as a platform of activism. About my claim of links to counter everything i am not sure whether that would actually be valid counterarguments. I can not deny that fanboys could just not follow the ideas, but whether the ideas themselves are flawed, i have to think about. Currently i am hard pressed to see how you can follow those ideas and be closed minded at the same time. Or at least, the things that you are close minded about do not deal with reality, and hence can hurt no-one but yourself. Especially following the 'respect' clause. Perhaps at its base it consists of three things: Declare that seeking reality should be the goal. And that other religions do not do this. It considers science as doing just that. I think this assumes some things, but things that i gladly assume. However it is not science. It adds values that are to be achieved using knowledge of reality. These are subjective too, and although as far as i can see i agree with them, but i do not think these subjective assumptions correspond with the name of the church well; that part looks at the whole right/left discussion as well. I agree with them though, and i do think, an misleading name is not really reason to ditch it completely.(Maybe they should call it the Left/Humanitarian Church of Reality. Maybe it provides a rallying cry, a community that can recognize each other. Perhaps it can be used positively as a vessel for activism, rather then religion. As i am reading it, i am filing some issues i have with it. Later, i will seek out its forum or mail issues i have with it. I am sure they have discussed it, or will discuss it with me.