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Old 07-18-2007   #19 (permalink)
Iammyaspectofus
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Default Re: When you think about, don't you have to laugh

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Originally Posted by Jasper84 View Post
I found a website like that today, and it seems very reasonable. Particularly: Self Scrutiny, Humility are important.(And i think they are rather too low on the list)
I have read it only today, so i do not have that much opinion about it. The website does say it is concerned about what you said. I am also a bit concerned about what they think the goal is; just the core parts or the thing around it too.
I think they are too low on the list too Jasper84.

I stumbled on that site last year. It's a very interesting experiment. It seems they are attempting to reinvent a branded reasonability as a way of circumnavigating the pit falls of existing as humans the way that we have up till now with well uh, branded reasonabilities. Never hurts to try right? Well here is what I think.

It is a very good business model they are working with because people work better as a team or a number of teams rather than through the chaos and destruction of the partial anarchy that we have been attempting with our thousands of wars.

But As I look through the linguistic marketing of this site, I see where they are making many of the same old mistakes that all theologies tend to make. And just for the record, in my little book of belief, all systems of belief are religious by the definition including atheism as a systematic belief. Science is a belief system too and it proves this itself, if you are wondering, at least I believe it does. LOL

The first is a subtle re-mistake and is detectible in the name “The Church of Reality”
It sounds like every absurdly arrogant religion I have ever had thrown in my face as “the right way to believe”. Pier pressure is usually a good selling point, I mean no one like to look stupid unless they are getting paid to.

The difference in it as compared to older names that are claiming to know the truth, is that this is sold as a newer and therefore better and a more attractive conceptuality and could be summed up in a sentence like this.

“We are not trying to tell people what to think like the old religions, rather we are trying to teach them how to think the best way.” which is amiable and much less destructive if you get the majority to buy it but so would any if most buy it right? But good luck getting the majority behind one system because people only like change when it is, well they don’t for the most part, it is an acquired taste for those that do. So in essence is just another sales pitch for a brand of ready made, shake before use, truth Kool-Aid. My opinion.

To anyone practiced even a little in searching for their own truth this language in the title can be obvious as an absolutist and therefore an oppressive beginning of a faith. The doctrine following on their site is very amiable in my opinion also, but is still flawed as a belief system, and it reads: “We welcome doubt and scrutiny as a means of purifying truth. It makes us accountable and ensures the integrity of our beliefs.”

This sound like my sixth grade science teacher, and I mean no disrespect, it’s just that it is a bit naïve to the practice seeker of human truth. I like those things too and rely on them in earnest but not as absolutes of finding truth.

Ad the absolute mechanism, and basically you have an ism or an excuse for not thinking for oneself. This inevitably leads to oppression of that very ability in people. The social is then the ONLY deciding thought process acceptable and so the free will of the individual is lost. Not my cup of tea.

My truths tell me that all people think religiously whether they are theologians, atheists, or if they have never heard of either one, it doesn’t matter. Cognitive scientists and linguistic studies show this.

A religion is any system of belief and our minds are conceptual systems of belief that are removed from reality we only detect. Some of it through our senses, the rest is made up!

Facts are simply believed. They are not part of “the reality” we are always seeking, they are simply concepts made with our individual and social mindsets.
This is an atheist religion unless you can prove god to the majority or to the social order running it, and try to avoid the pier shunning that will follow anyone not proving what the masses want proved.

The truths I believe and that can be found in many ancient texts of many brands of thought tell me that there only a few certainties in existence that we can measure from multiple perspectives. One of them is that everyone suffers; another is that truths will appear contradictory with simple changes of perspective.

The latter leads people that are in need of an absolute to not reserve their abilities to change perspective for fear of loosing hold of their illusions that ground them to their contrived realities. A good answer I see people trying to learn is to look for where you may need absolutes, and then find the lie that makes you need that to find your mental or spiritual freedom.

I prefer to live and then die searching because the end will find me that’s for sure; I don’t need to go looking for it, and since I do have the choice in the matter.
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