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Originally Posted by OrangeCrate Alright, I contribute. Your original post is just pseudo intellectual double talk. I responded with this smiley... |
Still asking why it is intellectual double talk? Seems like a pretty valid attempt at understanding what opinions are out there.. (Albeit theoretical, but that is inherent in the bottom-up approach.)
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Originally Posted by LordFu What I meant is, we should focus on the real people, not abstract ideas. |
I disagree, abstract ideas are absolutely necessary, the relation with reality should always be sought, though. For one, abstractions can be used to avoid distractions. And dont you have to use abstractions about how a large population will work in a certain 'societial system'? For instance, is free market not an abstraction. (More of one then society, i would say.)
Also, the OP does focus on abstractions about individuals; to try hide distractions about differences between them. It is about what people should (not) be forced to do to reach some goal you think society should aim for. For instance, it might be that you do not think any group should determine that goal, and that would be classification nr 2.
I will try to write a better clearer version, starting now. I will post it later.