I am having a crazy-must-repond-to-everything day . So ill reply this one, and try to compensate by not even checking socialdiscussion.com tomorrow.
@bns: You say taxes should be mandatory. That is part of what i meant with "For those rights, people get (admittedly forcibly)duty for those with resources to aid others".(crappy sentence of mine, looking back ) Does saying "Either that or leave." not mean move abroad? That is a big sacrifice. I agree with your opinion about that though. (btw yes, this is a rather theoretical thread .)

I should note, I am not forcing anyone on any of the points. It is a continuum between them. I must also say, that i could have written them more clearly. Perhaps i should have characterized them as four 'variables' instead, but point learned from thread .