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Old 07-12-2007   #19 (permalink)
Jasper84
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Default Re: The purpose of societal systems

@LordFu: Is it trying to label you? I see it more as trying to characterize opinions of "societal systems"-proposes.
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Originally Posted by bns
Therefore WE establish a common means of defense. I am an intellectual sort, so maybe I could educate my own children, but not everyone could so we orchestrate a means by which those who are capable educate all the children.
I guess my question is, who is 'WE', and should people be forced to belong to this 'WE'? I will try explain the three points better; second point thinks no-one should be forced into anything, except not forcing others; so things done in groups, must be voluntary. The third one does think people should be forced to do some things, like pay tax, to do things like you mentioned; health care, defense, education. The first one is about forcing people for things that do not affect others.
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Originally Posted by LordFu
Ideology is one of the things I think is wrong with the world. We divide ourselves down these imaginary lines, when in reality, most people want the same things.
Strange, you defend the freedom-ideology quite vocally. I think ideology is not necessarily a bad thing, ideology does not equal drawing imaginary lines. For one it is a continuum of ideas, secondly, imagine i lived what you would think a perfect society(= population + its ways of doing things) I would strongly disagree with that society, but i would not blow it up either. I would not say "if i do not have resources to help others, i will take them". (I meant given someone else is hogging them earlier btw)I might resort to stealing from resource-hoggers if other have way too little, and free others imprisoned. But probably not if there are other ways. I think i would probably try to get out of that society, or change it.(Well in principle, in reality i am a crazy guy that does not do what he should :/) Ok, i guess if it is bad, i might blow it up :/.

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