@Buddha443556: Uhm, is the ratio of US expendature on social programs not a way smaller part then that? And talking about debt increase is talking about a difference, is this difference relative to the past or is the difference to be split evenly between current spending. It is just too easy to twist the numbers that way.
Also, people might just be willing to pay more tax for social programs, or just to decrease spending on other stuff. That renders your response rather void for them.(It is basically this thread, http://socialdiscussion.com/civil-li...html#post77668 read the premise of the thread first!, the third post tells why it is important.)

As i said in other thread, perhaps socialism has not worked because of the US. I do not thing socialism without any other things will work, though.(why already in thread) But it is not near as dangerous and sure to be evil as you say.