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Old 07-11-2007   #6 (permalink)
Jasper84
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Default Re: The purpose of societal systems

@nbound: Does talking about Libertarianism not specify a structural model? What are your underlying values, if not on what i said? I think being on the left point is usually what is called left, means that you want to give people other rights then not to be harmed, like the right to education, shelter food. This must be paid for, that is why IMO the third point requires some duties as well.

>>However, the second one can perhaps also achieve giving people those rights. Voluntary donations to pay for it, of course, you need to have money/resources to spare to do this!(or suffer for them, probably while others sit on their fat) That is why i said "So those people are sort right if poor, and left when rich." Seeing your point of view earlier has been part of why i wrote that line. Also, some people were of the opinion that people with different morals then not harming others should pay for it to be that way themselves, rather then force others to pay against their will.
All-in-all i think you likely are in the left-and-right section.

@rjwood: Are those subsets of what i mentioned already? If those first four are your values, it sounds like you are either for using personal resources for morality, or the third point -forcing everyone too do the same. You probably have noticed I am for that one btw, i am guessing you are too. You could discuss those things you said, but i am trying to get the broader spectrum.
Is "respecting differences" just as "Freedom of speech", part of not being harmed or discriminated against because of differences or what you say? Those are part of the second and third point. Many of these concepts are just consequences of the same thing, that often are talked about like they are separate.

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