@LordFu: You think merely asking for tax to pay for someone elses education is tyranny... I dont.. so whats the point. (Read it, and think that covers the first link.) I made this thread to discuss the purpose of societal systems.
About the second part, the point is that democracy and socialism do not exclude each other. I do not care whether the people were being manipulated at that instance.
If you read my previous post well, the real problem i see is that there is no real method of people changing how things are done.
@seisen: Thanks for squashing him with reading material , that is basically what LordFu also does sometimes.