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Old 06-30-2007   #76 (permalink)
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Default Re: Evolution, Fact or Fiction?

Lets start off with some strange quotes...

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Originally Posted by metaphor- View Post
The Evolution vs Creation Thread.

Personally, I do not believe in evolution. For several reasons.

Should things be getting better? If we are constantly evolving to become better beings, why are we getting physically sicker and experiencing worse mental and physical ills than any other time period in history?
WHAT?! Is that actually an honest question? Oh, I get it, you don't know what evolution is... Thats why you have asked that question.

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Originally Posted by metaphor-
I have been studing the bible, evolution, theories,etc, for a long time now.
Again: WHAT?! Have you actually studied evolution? Or have it only been summarized to you by you fellow christians?
Ok, it might be true that you have studied evolution, BUT you cannot have understood much at all about it since you actually asked the question in the first quote.

Maybe I'm a bit harsh... The question might not have been quite honest. Maybe you slipped you tung and wrote something wrong. Lets continue...


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Originally Posted by metaphor-
but didnt we evolve from creatures who came from water? where did our gills go and why didnt we keep them? And where are the missing links of evolution? the solid evidence to support it?
What are these questions? I have not studied any biology as high as university, but lets answer a bit:
1. yes.
2. This took me 5 minutes to figure out: Say that there is some creature that has the ability to jump ashore for a short while and then jump back, to for example take a bite of some plant. It is dangerous, many of these fish-like creatures die while doing this, but they have to, since the shore is the only place that is relatively free from predators. The ones who survive are those who are best in jumping, surviving if they get stuck, and which has small gills, which does not get clogged/infected or whatever of all the sand/beached creatures/other things that they might get in there when jumping ashore.
This might be completely wrong, however it follows the basic guidelines of evolution and is based on how some animals today hunt/get food (for examples certain dolphins hunt at shores in a similar way as I have described). And this only took 5 minutes to figure out, and an additional 10 to write down, so I guess it is wrong and since I have some trust in biologists I bet they are better than me at this, especially since they got a lot more of the evidence.
3. Err... What are the missing links of evolution? I have never heard of these "missing links" in any other context than when someone is trying to discredit evolution. (just might be something that I have missed, then enlighten me.)
What I guess you mean is places where scientist have not yet, and might never, find the little step that would make everything clear. Well, if a theory works in all cases but a few, and there are many models originated from that theory that equivalently probably explains the evolutionary path, then that should be satisfying enough. And for the evolutionary steps that have not yet been modeled, just wait, there are evolutionary biologists yet that are trying to explain those.
4. Honestly, if evolution fails to have solid evidence in a few cases, and creation have no evidence, nada, nothing to support it, then you should really think about why you have chosen the side you have. And you should here realize that your religious faith is most relevant into every detail.


I will not continue this discussion much further, if you have any direct replies; sure. But we will get nowhere until you actually have any understanding of evolution, and can 'prove' your understanding.
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