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Originally Posted by lakersforce  How about being concerned about trying to better the lives of the people those townships then, instead of being concerned about making inmates lives as miserable as possible? |
I am - It's impossible to make every ones life better but in the church and charity that i partake in I give more than my "required" 10%. also I help educating the guard in our complex in computers - it going very slow!
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I simply disagree here. What you are saing is simply wrong. But HIV is not the point. I think you would do yourself a favor by not looking at the world in a "them and us" view, but to instead use a integrated perspective. We are all part of this world!
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What I am saying is the opinion of some of the economists in my country. I'm not going to bother finding exact stats, but my father used to work with NMG,
NMG, they are an actuarial company that do stats for Insurance companies and ect. According to them HIV is going to screw things up pretty damn well for Africa. Now he is with a clinical research company - they to see HIV as a major head ache. I bring HIV in to show the problem and complexity with eradicating social/economical inequalities.
I look at the world as a them ans us as far as morals and culture go. By them I mean: poor South-Africans that have no education or very little education that cling to old/ancient practices in a modern age. Practices such as having more than one wife and having sex when and where with whom ever you wish. where some of the people believe HIV doesn't cause AIDS or doesn't even exsist. where which doctors actively spread the word that sex with a baby will cure you of HIV. they don't molest kids - they pierce baby girls and have full intercourse. these kids end up in hospital with there guts hanging out of their bodies and their viginal area ruined. That's the THEM culture i talk about.
CNN.com - Infant rape crisis jolts South Africa - December 12, 2001
"South African police statistics show that last year alone, 21,538 rapes and attempted rapes of children under the age of 18 were reported."
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WorldNetDaily: Child-rape epidemic in South Africa
I and plenty others are trying to help THEM but there definitly is a THEM and ME. The biggest problem we face is ignorance and stubbornness.
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I mostly agree with this, except your take on HIV. But gang related violence does not come out of nothing.
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True - gang related violence has many sources agrees and giveing them jobs I agree would solve it. again, where to get the jobs?
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I am glad I am not living in your world. Fortunately my take on the world is a whole lot brighter. I believe in free will, not deternism.
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I find this interesting - if you don't mind, expand on this. Just as a note, my world is pretty bright compared to the Townships and ect. I have ADSL where they barley have running water. The fact that I'm for the death penalty will bennifit them much more than me.
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I'm curious about this statement, as you speak very hopefully of 40, 50, 100 years away... This gives me an idea for a new tread...
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PM the link if you don't mind!
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And by letting criminals out rather that kill them are we not helping them kill their next victim? Do the crime, do the time. Kill someone and get killed yourself. That's fair. Whats not fair is my state letting them live for so long after being convicted. 15-20 years should be shortened to 5 years max.
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I agree with this part posted by purelabour though I have put the intrecises of my agreement out in full earlier in the thread.
though the Islam and Buddist part bugs me. The chinese partook in WW2 and they are buddist to a degree? I read this,
Religion in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and found it confusing.
@seisen - do you mean to say that the buddist practice is not violent? I agree, the Dalia Lama comes from Tibet doesn't he?
I take it that Tibet doesn't have the death penalty?