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Jasper84 · 06-21-2007

Well, many of us believe people should be able to gain as much wealth as they can do with fair trade.(/commerce) Looks like that means that people should have the right to own corporations to me. So inherently, in that view economy should be undemocratic as in money buys 'voting power'.
But anyway, the real problem would seem to be corporations having to much influence on politics. It is as blatant as Slashdot | Google's New Lobbying Power in Washington and worse. I am convinced that US political parties get most of their money from corporate America.(or not even America) Some of lobbying is not bad, but some is manipulation.

@bns: I agree, but there is often the sentiment: voting on neither Democrats nor Republicans never gets a party in congress in a way that they can do something. It is a self-forfilling statement.
Maybe there should be a single-purpose party to reform democracy, with goals like:

Banning corporate lobbying. There should be a single organisation that handles corporations.(not sure how to really do this, though) Other inappropriate influence must be taken out aswel.

Political parties get enough money for their seats for their campaign. Other income should somehow be punished. (how, i do not know, best way i know, is punishment by the public, but how do you get them to do that..)

Focus to congress, not the president. Take away power and responsibilities from the president.

Promote new parties by granting money, based on amount of followers.

Continuity of politicians from bottom to top. The bottom being spare-time activists/discussion groups and such, middle local politicians. This could provide a "ladder" so people have more possibilities of joining politics. Also, connecting top and bottom parts sometimes can help in that too.

Just some ideas, but in my opinion something like this will be necessary. Democrats and Republicans are pretty close in numbers, so a little party inbetween can get needed to get 50%-seat-coalition quite quickly.(is that how it works over there?) At that point, that party can set at least some demands. Of course, such a single-point party, would have to dissolve again at some point. I believe it has to a single-purpose-party, because that will not repel people with different beliefs but a desire to reform in common.

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Jasper84 under construction Join Date: May 2007 Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands Posts: 593	Re: The United States Is A Democracy Well, many of us believe people should be able to gain as much wealth as they can do with fair trade.(/commerce) Looks like that means that people should have the right to own corporations to me. So inherently, in that view economy should be undemocratic as in money buys 'voting power'. But anyway, the real problem would seem to be corporations having to much influence on politics. It is as blatant as Slashdot \| Google's New Lobbying Power in Washington and worse. I am convinced that US political parties get most of their money from corporate America.(or not even America) Some of lobbying is not bad, but some is manipulation. @bns: I agree, but there is often the sentiment: voting on neither Democrats nor Republicans never gets a party in congress in a way that they can do something. It is a self-forfilling statement. Maybe there should be a single-purpose party to reform democracy, with goals like: Banning corporate lobbying. There should be a single organisation that handles corporations.(not sure how to really do this, though) Other inappropriate influence must be taken out aswel. Political parties get enough money for their seats for their campaign. Other income should somehow be punished. (how, i do not know, best way i know, is punishment by the public, but how do you get them to do that..) Focus to congress, not the president. Take away power and responsibilities from the president. Promote new parties by granting money, based on amount of followers. Continuity of politicians from bottom to top. The bottom being spare-time activists/discussion groups and such, middle local politicians. This could provide a "ladder" so people have more possibilities of joining politics. Also, connecting top and bottom parts sometimes can help in that too. Just some ideas, but in my opinion something like this will be necessary. Democrats and Republicans are pretty close in numbers, so a little party inbetween can get needed to get 50%-seat-coalition quite quickly.(is that how it works over there?) At that point, that party can set at least some demands. Of course, such a single-point party, would have to dissolve again at some point. I believe it has to a single-purpose-party, because that will not repel people with different beliefs but a desire to reform in common.