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Originally Posted by Maxim  bvc, I think those scripts that predict his birth and death are irrelevant as Jesus simply did not fulfill even one of the things that the messiah should fulfill.
therefor he is not our messiah, he did not saved us (the Jews) in any way.
you must also remember that our meaning of messiah is not the english meaning.
he should not be a god or a semi-god as the bible says about Jesus.
the messiah should be a human being Jew, he could be a president a warlord anyone.
I believe that Jesus existed and had some good ideas, but I also believe that he DID NOT come for the Jews, he come for other nations.
he knew we won't believe in him but he also knew that the rest of the world will, so he came, and hatred come after him in his name by the simple people who thought they know everything. |
Maxim, you didn't address the point. Your post is supposed to explain why Jesus is not the Messiah, but you say nothing of the scriptures that say Messiah would be rejected, Israel would be blinded to his coming, and gentiles would be brought into the fold (if that offends you go back to the Tanakh and even Moses). Kind of 'key' elements don't ya think? The other issues can be explained. Your statements remind me of things Christians say today that spawned from 3rd and 4th century doctrines of men that are not found in Scripture. God doesn't care what the traditions of men say.
Just so you know, I do not believe in a 'spiritual Israel'. That the Church that has become heir to all the promises given to Israel. Sadly a large portion of the Church has fallen for this but they do not understand scripture. All nations will bow to Israel so I'm on your side. I can't expect you to see what God has an appointed time for, concerning Israel, and I can certainly understand why you wouldn't believe in the Jesus you see in the religions of this world. It's not the Jesus I know.
Peace to Israel!