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Originally Posted by Ilya Atheism is defined as "The belief that God does not exist."
That is a very vague definition, since the word God is too abstract to be easily defined. |
Do i have to justify disbelieving in some something that is ill defined? You believe in Smrakles? (not at all defined)
I would not call pantheism is just a sexed up atheism, but it might be for some. It currently looks like atheism with the word 'god' slapped on universe to me.
What i said about point 5 is perhaps not really criticism.
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Originally Posted by Ilya The left part of your brain is. So is the right (it can be demonstrated that they can be conscious independently of each other). And yet you say that "you" are conscious. In the same sense you can say that the universe is conscious. |
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limits of consciousness thread, you cannot prove that someone is conscious. I think I am conscious because i perceive myself, and i think others conscious because of the similarities. I do not see these similarities in the universe as a whole considering what i know. The motions of stars/the planets, the gas in my room just does not show any kind of activity i relate to consciousness.
There is an argument for the universe containing having consciousness in some way, but it is based on uniformity of physics(thus no divine intervention). It is the idea that self-perception must have some source, and uniformity of physics forbids any kind of locality, like a connection to a specific brain. Perhaps there is a form of consciousness in the universe based on subjectivity of probability and/or quantum mechanics. (although i am grasping for straws, as i have no real reason to argue it would be either of those)
I would still be very held back about calling the universe with consciousness attributed 'god'. Maybe the idea of god as a deity is too deeply ingrained.
How can nr6 not be a core of pantheism? It is the only one separating something that could be called 'god' from something that can only really be called universe.