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Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg  Not that I'm a relativist... but I just don't think the self-refuting argument works 
In absolutism the claim is that everything is true or false relative to *one* framework.
In relativism, it is asserted there are mulitple frameworks (which does not strike me necessarily as self-contradiciting).
It's entirely possible some facts would still be universal, meaning, true in every framework.... For example for ever framework, there would be another equally valid framework.
Where is the self-contradiction?
Conceptually, absolutism is a subset of relativism. |
But in explaining relativism as the view in which the truth consists in multiple framework is itself
absolute claim for that is asserting that
truths are as they are (universal). From a relativist point of view, truths are merely subjective, yet the very belief of their view is objective (to repeat myself): that truth is relative.
How you explained relativism is only considered in the objective view, but my point is that it is ironic that in contrasting relativists' views in subjective and objective terms. Relativists themselves claim that every thing is relative while making the implicit assertion, which is objective, in holding such beliefs. I'm seeing the inconsistency between what relativists believe to be true and how they come to believe them to be true, i.e., "relative claim" versus "absolute claim that which they make in order to justify such relative claim".
I think there were a lot of redundancies in what I said but I hope they are relevant and make sense.
I'm not an absolutist but I am anti-relativist. For if we were all relativist, we're all talking full of sh*t without any content; even semantics of language become obsolete because they mean however the meaning we wish to assign to them.
I do see that absolutism may fall under subset of relativism, but can't monotheism be a form of absolutism that mutually excludes everything else and therefore, it is dogmatic absolutism and there cannot be any other form of truth.