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Old 05-29-2007   #54 (permalink)
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Default Re: What are your axioms?

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I don't, but not because of skepticism. I disbelieve it because of your propensity towards sarcasm.
Who? Me?

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I believe that you don't believe that I really don't believe...OK, I'm out.

I believe lots of things. Mainly, I believe the obvious things in front of my face. If you say you are exactly 2 meters tall, I believe you. I'm even a bit naive about it.

What I *don't* believe in is absolute certainty. I'm open to the possibility that I might be wrong.
Are you absolutely certain that absolute certainty is impossible? I, too, am open to the possibility that you might be wrong.

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In particular, I don't think there's such a thing as a self-evident, or self-justifying, or Knowledge-Giver-Justified Axiom.
Try to refute "existence exists" without conceding that existence does exist. Try to refute the Law of Identity while you're at it.

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I take the ones that make the most sense to me...
By what standard?

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..but how--honestly, HOW--how can ANYONE with any shred of intellectual honesty claim that their axioms are unequivocally, irrefutably, universally true, beyond any possibility of doubt?
Please review the definition of "axiom" above.

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I mean, I may *think* mine are true, but how the heck could I know for sure?
Obviously, you can't. Do not, therefore, attempt to hold the rest of humanity down to your level.

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Bnonn has scared me out of using the word 'knowledge,' but my beliefs are not arbitrary. My axioms are not arbitrary. As I've said, I try to stick to plausibility, simplicity, and beauty in my axioms.
That anyone would allow that irrational troll to scare them out of anything gives me doubts as to the intellectual fortitude of those in fear.

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I just think that axioms are *allowed* to be arbitrary, by definition. Doesn't mean the ones I choose to believe about the universe are *arrived at* arbitrarily.
It is not enough to cast doubt on all knowledge, you find it necessary to attack metaphysics as well? Have you no boundaries?


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And you prefer the self-affirming nature of dogma?
You find my intellectual certainty so threatening that you label it as "dogma"?
In case it wasn't apparent, sarcasm is yet another free service I offer.

Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.---- Robert A. Heinlein
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