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Old 05-24-2007   #145 (permalink)
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Default Re: Argument for God's Existance

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These are not analogous situations.
It may not be the best example, but they are analogous to an extent. If the big bang caused the universe, gas spread out rapidly and like gasses massed together to form our universe--our ordered universe. In my example, the dice were scattered and formed the "universe"--with order. Like I said, not the best example, but to an extent.

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The world around you is only as complex and ordered as our frame of reference.
So you deny that the universe is complex? Even the simplest of cells carries our extremely complex functions. Our bodies, containing trillions of cells like this, all of them working together. Is that not complex? Or do you believe we're just masses of cells who's behavior can be simplified? Even if you know how it works, that does not change the complexity of it. You only need to browse around NASA's site in order to see how complex and amazing space is.

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order on a small scale happens in small scenarios. However, order on a tremendous scale such as the universe can happen on equally tremendous scales and NOT be unlikely, or even special enough to enter the point of, "needing" a designer.
Using this argument, one could come to the conclusion that a trillion dice thrown at once, stacking up, balancing on their corners, all showing the same number, and spinning at a constant speed for millions of years, is just as likely as five dice landing within a circle. It is on a tremendous scale, and has tremendous order. But is it likely? Would you say that this tower of a trillion dice has no designer? Or that is has no cause?

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isn't it impossible for five dices thrown out from the same hand at the same time to land on a flat surface and form a circle?
Sorry for not clarifying. I meant that they all fell within a circle.

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If the Cosmological argument is the best for God, it seems to disprove an intervening God
I fail to see how. So causing the universe means he doesn't intervene?
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