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Originally Posted by DChristopher -The world is not 100% deterministic. My choices matter, even if only a little. |
I object to this, the world need not be deterministic for your choices to matter. I would rather have something like 'I can affect the world consistent to my goals'. If the universe is deterministic does not even need to enter this discussion in my view, it does not matter, the limited knowledge of the world makes things seem random/non-deterministic anyway.
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Originally Posted by DChristopher --It is "good," in an absolute sense, to treat other people with kindness and empathy.
--It is not "good" to treat other people cruelly or badly or apathetically. No belief system that encourages such behavior is good. |
This is why i tried to define good as something based on what other people want. Because that defines(for me) what is meant with kindness/empathy; being kind means that you balance your own 'want' with that of others. Here want is what people want not only at this moment, but also that they wont regret/feel miserable because of it. In other words, what people want is not what they say, or even think nor how they act.
It seems to me, that your definition does not take into account that different beings have different needs. I think it misses that we give different creatures different value. (Like i do not look down all day to save some ants, but do try not to eat too much meat, or hit people.)
My goal is that to make creatures get what they want, based on weighing for each creature. (weighing based on knowledge too) On a island then I would be the only creature to worry about, so i would do whatever i wanted.
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Originally Posted by DChristopher --There may be a spiritual world or an afterlife, but it is foolish to make decisions which are senseless with respect to the physical world, on the chance that one will be rewarded for such senselessness in an unseen, spiritual world. |
Is is sensible to make an axiom about this? The very words "on the chance that one will be rewarded for such senselessness in an unseen, spiritual world." seems like reasoning that making decisions based on existence of an afterworld, is a bad idea because you should not make decisions based on things you do not know. Which would fall in the realm of logic. (or some other more fine-grained axioms perhaps)
@bns: that was my point, we are not sure that the same axioms lead to the same results in discussing. Perhaps because of hidden axioms, of course. (which we may be able to find, ofcourse)
@utabintarbo I am not sure if i understand, I do think that ethical axioms are even more subjective then the other ones, they are separate from "the other" axioms too. (btw, not having one of those three axioms does not mean someone is unreasonable.)