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Originally Posted by PaulFXH However, it does certainly seem that it entails dispensing with all rationality and resorting to some type of mysticism which lies well beyond scientific analysis. |
Firstly, faith is not to dispense with rationality, but to adopt rationality. However, these people to whom you spoke are very likely not evidencing genuine Christian faith, but rather replace it with some kind of emotional ("spiritual") experience. Christian (biblical) faith is most definitely rational.
Secondly, though, you will probably have difficulties with this if you are equating rationality with scientific analysis.
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But why is one type of faith highly acceptable and the other viewed as ridiculous.
Could it be that one type of faith fills a major gap in our lives and makes us feel good about ourselves and, particularly, our prospects for avoiding the horror of a finalization of our existence? The other "faith" does little other than provoke a momentary giggle.
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Firstly, because the first type of faith is highly supportable. For example, there are at least seven arguments from the existence of reason which elaborate the vast difficulties which naturalism or materialism run into in trying to assert a fully physical universe. While these are not proof for only the Christian god, they are certainly strong arguments for theism in general. However, there are no such evidences for yetis, the Loch Ness Monster, etc.
Secondly, if human beings
do have a "major gap" in us which is filled by religion (and I agree that man is incurably religious), in what way does this fact lead necessarily to your conclusion that it is because we wish to feel good about ourselves and avoid the horror of the finality of our existence? You seem to be assuming the consequent. This "major gap" could equally be explained by the fact that we are created in the image of God, and made to be in communion with him. Either conclusion is quite supportable given the premises, and which one we choose is a matter of our existing presuppositions. So we should examine those.
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Faith, therefore, would be defined as a type of benevolent self-delusion,
I think, however, what concerns me most is that I have been told that without "faith", I will be condemned to eternal damnation. This implies that those who insist on applying a degree of rationality and scientific appraisal to their thoughts about their lives, instead of just settling for a blind faith, are considered unworthy of salvation by the Almighty Creator.
This just doesn't seem right.
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You have misunderstood both faith and rationality. Science is not rational; it presupposes a number of things which are quite unjustified, and does not even claim to be
able to justify them. For example, it presupposes a commonality of experience between people, which in turn presupposes people and an external world. It presupposes that our memories are reliable, and then, based on the this assumption and the fact that we remember the past being consistent, it fallaciously (inductively) infers that the future will be like the past, and arrives at the principle of the uniformity of nature. This is just to start with. On top of this, although science assumes an empirical epistemology, it denies the need for a metaphysic (though obviously, by taking an empirical epistemology it implicitly adopts an empirical metaphysic as well). But without a metaphysic it has no basis for an epistemology, and since an empirical epistemology is self-refuting in the first place, it has no basis for knowledge-claims whatsoever. I'd be happy to go into that further.
Faith, on the other hand (and I am talking about biblical faith) is a justified and true belief in God's promise. It was founded and perfected by Christ, who was God; and, this being the case, and since all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ himself, it is impossible to describe faith as irrational or uncertain. The biblical word refers to forensic proof, or to a trust in something on the basis of such proof.
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Originally Posted by utabintarbo The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.-- Benjamin Franklin |
Heh, because if someone famous said it, it
must be true! Wait, are you taking that on faith...?
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Faith is when one accepts a statement as true without evidence for it, or in the face of evidence against it.
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That may be how most people define faith, but it is certainly not Christian faith.
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Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg That's a good point ... IMO though, belief is not binary. The strength of one's beliefs should be proportioned to the available evidence. |
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evidence is only
data interpeted according to a set of presuppositions, you have to take
something on faith before you can even get to the point of talking about evidence. Sorry.