Bonzodog, that's not true. "Old labour" doesn't mean control by the old-boy network. Labour used to be (and i guess still is) a party supported by the workers and trade unions, Old Labour means rampant socialism and unilateral nuclear disarmament! (although Brown is opposed to unilateral disarmament)

smoker: i agree with almost everything you said there. Although pulling our troops out from Iraqistan at this juncture... The whole place would probably just collapse like a poorly-maintained temple from Zeus: Master of Olympus