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Old 05-12-2007   #18 (permalink)
utabintarbo
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Default Re: Separation of Church and State

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Originally Posted by Rhapsody View Post
The Roman Catholic laity may be fairly liberal, but that's only because they don't pay any attention to what the Pope says.

Besides, I think you'll find Catholicism is still a religion. You've not stated any non-religious groups here.

Democrats can't be influenced by religion now?
I thought we had agreed that support by any religion, per se does not disqualify a piece of legislation. Maybe it was just me. Whatever.

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I would define 'undue influence' as any influence. Some other religious group has to suffer when one side gets to pass laws based on nothing but their own dogma. To ensure no one takes more of a beating than anyone else, laws should have a secular basis to them.
One can gain influence by having people vote for them. Is that to be considered "undue"?

And laws have only to be rational. Whether their genesis is religious or secular is kinda beside the point

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Fair according to the principles of constitutional democracy that the United States is founded upon. If you want a country where politics don't have to be fair, you can move to China. In the western world, we strive to be as fair and reasonable to all sides as possible.
To my reading, the word "fair" is not in the Constitution. Besides, the word is necessarily relative, never a good basis for policy.
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